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lolikitsune
Lolikitsune
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10/06/2006 02:55 AM EDT

>>@ Kurisu: What is CMS?

CMS = content management system, much like Wordpress or Drupal or others in that vein.

For the record, Wordpress can, with just a small amount of PHP knowledge, be VERY EASILY modded to perform as would be required for this undertaking. I could do it; I believe several others here could do it. Like Hung or Crast.

Kurisu
Kurisu
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10/06/2006 02:59 AM EDT

A CMS is a Content Management System.
Wordpress is also a CMS.

This CMS sole purpose would be the contest. It would take too much time to count each vote manually. You need a dedicated system for this.

The CMS would also handle a lot of other things. Like automated pairings, overview tables and so.

And the contest should have it's own domain.
Also, I think a design which is optimised for 800*600 - like this one - doesn't work for such a projekt. Since all of you run Google Analytics you should see that hardly anyone uses that resolution anymore. On my sites that would be around 2-4%. I bet your Google Analytics does also show you a value around 5%.

lolikitsune
Lolikitsune
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10/06/2006 03:39 AM EDT

>>This CMS sole purpose would be the contest. It would take too much time to count each vote manually. You need a dedicated system for this.

>>The CMS would also handle a lot of other things. Like automated pairings, overview tables and so.

 Yeah, and it's easier to build off Wordpress than to create a whole new CMS. Much easier, and just as effective.

Kurisu
Kurisu
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10/06/2006 03:46 AM EDT

@lolikitsune: Yeah, it's probably better just to modify Wordpress than to create a whole new system.

But I don't think it could be "very easily" modified because there would be alot of features to be added.

But if you think you can do it, why not give it a try?  

lolikitsune
Lolikitsune
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10/06/2006 04:00 AM EDT

A few reasons why not. First, I don't have the resources available to me to set up a domain and play around with it. I've reached the limit of databses at my hosting for dotq.org and can't play around there any further. I'm not deleting http://not.dotq.org in order to make room for another wordpress install.

Second, I'm doing a lot of things these days. Kind of busy, as I've immersed myself in AP classes and a demanding job.

Third, I don't think it's for me to do. I think doing things under the Anime Nano brand isn't really my calling. Just running the IRC channel gets me prickly feelings like Hung wants me dead for assuming any kind of special status under his name. Call it an over-defensive psychological complex if you will.

Now, if (multiple) people want me (!!) to do it, and are willing to donate a domain and hosting to the cause of the contests, I'd be willing to assume admin powers for however long it takes to get the Wordpress install modified into what we need. 

wontaek
Wontaek
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10/06/2006 04:32 AM EDT

Do we have to worry about monetary concerns?  Also how should we handle candidate selection phase, where we may need to deal with hundreds of character names?

lolikitsune
Lolikitsune
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10/06/2006 05:10 AM EDT

>> Do we have to worry about monetary concerns?

It's not much of a matter of money. Domains are cheap. In my case, the main problem with being 16 is that I am unable to register domains whenever I want.

>> Also how should we handle candidate selection phase, where we may need to deal with hundreds of character names?

Leave it up to a program. Like a few lines of PHP.

Kurisu
Kurisu
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10/06/2006 06:03 AM EDT

I didn't mean it in this way:

"There comes a point in every person’s life where we have to make a decision. Everyone knows the right choice to make, but only those with the courage will make it. We have reached that crossroad and you know that lolikitsune is the right choice.

lolikitsune is the epitome of programming, he represents everything that the word stands for. http://not.dotq.org will forever leave a mark in the eternal halls of our bookmarks. “God knows…” will forever be on our playlists. I think it says a lot about the kind of programming level lolikitsune has attained. He’s on a whole new plane of existence in theprogramming universe. In fact, he is the universe. "
*stealing from Darkmirage*

IF we want to make such a contest, we need someone who can do the programming part and who has time. I think I read that Hung didn't have time at the moment which counts him out as the main programmer. But of course this doesn't have to be programmed NOW.

I don't think money is a problem neither because there are a few people here who have enough resources (domains and server).
Or should I say "Unlimited Resource Works"? Ok, this one was bad...

 

omo
Omo
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10/06/2006 06:47 PM EDT

yep. we need a collective of people with spare time, spare server space, spare domain name, what have you.

hung
Hung
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10/06/2006 07:51 PM EDT

I'd do it but I'm super freaking busy. Maybe after I graduate?

wontaek
Wontaek
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10/06/2006 11:02 PM EDT

same here.

Ronin
Ronin
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10/07/2006 02:57 AM EDT

Yes, omo, collective thinking is good.

I could, but... sigh. Ditto.

Kurisu
Kurisu
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10/07/2006 03:38 AM EDT

I could only offer a domain and server. My PHP knowledge is almost zero.

But if we take our time and plan ahead, the result has to be better than if we would be rushing things. By the time Hung and co. habe time again, we may have the ultimate idea for such a modification.

lolikitsune
Lolikitsune
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10/07/2006 09:15 AM EDT

Yeah. Also, given what Hung has done (this and notecentric) should he create the thing from scratch, it will most likely be more awesome than modified wordpress.

wontaek
Wontaek
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10/07/2006 08:24 PM EDT

There are things that needs to be done before actual programming. The first thing that needs to be done before we really start this is to define the contest in much more stricter terms. Several things we need to decide before a word of code is written are

1. Will we have one contest, multiple contests, or one main and couple of side contests?

2. How will we reach the final decision on above and below questions?

3. Who will be the participants in the contest(s)? Judging by current waves of Moe competition, it seems that at least one would be female characters in anime that first aired on or after Jan. 1st 2005, but people might have different preference or the cutoff date.

4. Once the contestants were decided, we need to lay down the rules of the contest. The easiest one seems to be having many groups of 10 to 20 characters, let every visitior have one vote per group, and top 4 vote getters advanced to next round. The one I prefer is 10+ CHARACTERS IN GROUPs, voters get 4 votes, and top 4 vote getters advance to next round until we are down to less than 10. The one that will generate the most excitement will probably be strict 1 on 1 tournaments. We need to make rules that seems fair, and to do that, we have to decided what will be our order of priorities.

5. What should we do about possibility of other contests running in similar time?  Most signs points to the possibility that this contest webpage will be written sometime around febuary of next year, and that means it will coincide with Jason Miao's Anime on My Mind March Madness contest. We need to talk to Jason and others to better coordinate our efforts and resources. 

 By the way, Haruhi vs. Eri matchup has started in Korean Moe Tournament, which some now calls Super Tsundere Wars.  

 

 One criticism that I have seen in both Japanese SaiMoe Tournament and Korean ChoeMoe Tournament is that too many powerful matchups happens early with many people saying loser of an earlier round would have easily beat winners of latter rounds. I am strongly convinced that only way to prevent such happening is 10 character per group, 4 votes per voter, top 4 advance scheme, which will guarantee the best 4 to advance till there will be less than 10 characters left in the contest, no matter what kind of group was formed. In interest of fairness, I believe seeds needs to be determined and assigned to make all groups as balanced as possible, and, in order to speed things up, number of contestants in a group should be decided in format I discussed in page one. If the size of the groups are large enough, we can quickly narrow down the number of candidates in this method as well. The biggest question is, is there a software protocal that will allow each voters to choose 4 characters per group and tally the votes quickly and easily? I do remember ESPN website handling things like ranking 25 out of 100 candidates, but that is a serious commercial website, which we are not. Although ranking would give us even better gauge of the relative character popularity, it is much more difficutl to use, thus I think pick 4 is the most we can go without losing the ease of voting.

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